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		<title>By: Barangaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barangaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your interest in Barangaroo. You may be interested in more information available on the media page of the Barangaroo website, www.barangaroo.com/media 

In particular, you may be interested in the December newsletter released as part of the announcement on Barangaroo South at http://www.barangaroo.com/newsletters.cfm?menu_id=6

+ the January statement on Barangaroo at http://www.barangaroo.com/media.cfm?menu_id=6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your interest in Barangaroo. You may be interested in more information available on the media page of the Barangaroo website,&nbsp;<a href="http://www.barangaroo.com/media" rel="nofollow">http://www.barangaroo.com/media</a> </p>
<p>In particular, you may be interested in the December newsletter released as part of the announcement on Barangaroo South at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.barangaroo.com/newsletters.cfm?menu_id=6" rel="nofollow">http://www.barangaroo.com/newsletters.cfm?menu_id=6</a></p>
<p>+ the January statement on Barangaroo at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.barangaroo.com/media.cfm?menu_id=6" rel="nofollow">http://www.barangaroo.com/media.cfm?menu_id=6</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I can&#039;t say much more here specifically about B&#039;roo as I&#039;m part of the team with RHS+P.

Your wider point is right about &quot;many a public space in Singapore, Italy and Spain (is) lined with commercial activity&quot; and yes they&#039;re often bars and cafes - though I&#039;d add they&#039;re often independently- or locally-owned rather than national franchises, which is a MAJOR difference to King St. Wharf, and absolutely crucial not only in terms of urbanism/structure of feeling etc. but also resilient local economies.

Also different is that a diversity of people often live above them in Spain, Italy etc., or have a diversity of workplaces above them. Again, King St. Wharf (as with much of Sydney&#039;s CBD) simply does not have that diversity of use, of people, of activity.

There are broader definitions of public space etc., to do with activity rather than urban design. To me, it&#039;s not to do with feathered edges etc. but what one can actually do in that space i.e. here&#039;s a decent, if UK-centric analysis of those issues around private/public space: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/15/public-space-private-property-companies

I&#039;m not suggesting that&#039;s happening here on this site(though it no doubt has on many occasions elsewhere in Sydney), and of course this is part of a long and complex series of histories around cities like Paris as you point out (though I&#039;d add you need to have high-quality dictators if you&#039;re going to have a dictator, or someone with power, as you put it!) To me, it shows wider issues about urban governance here - who is responsible for stewardship of the city anyway? With that unresolved, discussion of who is responsible for public space, and what public space is, can&#039;t be either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I can&#8217;t say much more here specifically about B&#8217;roo as I&#8217;m part of the team with&nbsp;<span class="caps">RHS</span>+P.</p>
<p>Your wider point is right about &#8220;many a public space in Singapore, Italy and Spain (is) lined with commercial activity&#8221; and yes they&#8217;re often bars and cafes - though I&#8217;d add they&#8217;re often independently- or locally-owned rather than national franchises, which is a <span class="caps">MAJOR</span> difference to King St. Wharf, and absolutely crucial not only in terms of urbanism/structure of feeling etc. but also resilient local&nbsp;economies.</p>
<p>Also different is that a diversity of people often live above them in Spain, Italy etc., or have a diversity of workplaces above them. Again, King St. Wharf (as with much of Sydney&#8217;s <span class="caps">CBD</span>) simply does not have that diversity of use, of people, of&nbsp;activity.</p>
<p>There are broader definitions of public space etc., to do with activity rather than urban design. To me, it&#8217;s not to do with feathered edges etc. but what one can actually do in that space i.e. here&#8217;s a decent, if <span class="caps">UK</span>-centric analysis of those issues around private/public space:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/15/public-space-private-property-companies" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/15/public-space-private-property-companies</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that&#8217;s happening here on this site(though it no doubt has on many occasions elsewhere in Sydney), and of course this is part of a long and complex series of histories around cities like Paris as you point out (though I&#8217;d add you need to have high-quality dictators if you&#8217;re going to have a dictator, or someone with power, as you put it!) To me, it shows wider issues about urban governance here - who is responsible for stewardship of the city anyway? With that unresolved, discussion of who is responsible for public space, and what public space is, can&#8217;t be&nbsp;either.</p>
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		<title>By: John de Manincor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John de Manincor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MsUnreliable  - yes the Hill Thallis team were hard done by, they knew the risks when they entered - it&#039;s happened before and will happen again. The process of evolving a city is a political and commercial one - its not as simple as running a design competition. The reason Paul K dictating to us is that he has power,  which has often led to the making of cities like ... err Paris.
It would be great to have a a world leader in design of cities involved, now, apparently there is RSHP (incl Richard Rogers). I for one am VERY GLAD Ghel has no say in the site, the LAST person I&#039;d ever select. If you download the last few projects of his you&#039;ll see they say the same thing for every city in the world where he has ever worked - seriously they have the same chapters!
MT
King St Wharf/King St Newtown &quot;bar after (thai)restaurant after bar following restaurant.&quot;
Many a public space in Singapore, Italy and Spain that is lined with commercial activity ... parks on the other hand are a different thing.
When I was young(er) NO ONE ate on the street in Sydney in public space, now it&#039;s done all the time ... ON PUBLIC LAND. So where does the public private interface start stop. Examples? Champs-Élysées or Clark Quay (http://www.clarkequay.com.sg/) ... offer interesting versions of public private interface.
Dan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MsUnreliable  - yes the Hill Thallis team were hard done by, they knew the risks when they entered - it&#8217;s happened before and will happen again. The process of evolving a city is a political and commercial one - its not as simple as running a design competition. The reason Paul K dictating to us is that he has power,  which has often led to the making of cities like &#8230; err Paris.<br />
It would be great to have a a world leader in design of cities involved, now, apparently there is <span class="caps">RSHP</span> (incl Richard Rogers). I for one am <span class="caps">VERY</span> <span class="caps">GLAD</span> Ghel has no say in the site, the <span class="caps">LAST</span> person I&#8217;d ever select. If you download the last few projects of his you&#8217;ll see they say the same thing for every city in the world where he has ever worked - seriously they have the same chapters!<br />
<span class="caps">MT</span><br />
King St Wharf/King St Newtown &#8220;bar after (thai)restaurant after bar following restaurant.&#8221;<br />
Many a public space in Singapore, Italy and Spain that is lined with commercial activity &#8230; parks on the other hand are a different thing.<br />
When I was young(er) <span class="caps">NO</span> <span class="caps">ONE</span> ate on the street in Sydney in public space, now it&#8217;s done all the time &#8230; <span class="caps">ON</span> <span class="caps">PUBLIC</span> <span class="caps">LAND</span>. So where does the public private interface start stop. Examples? Champs-Élysées or Clark Quay (<a href="http://www.clarkequay.com.sg/" rel="nofollow">http://www.clarkequay.com.sg/</a>) &#8230; offer interesting versions of public private interface.<br />&nbsp;Dan?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff Marcus, thanks for digging that MVRDV proposal up and internet-ising it. I love the emphasis on mixed-use program and retaining productive (and trade) capacity there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff Marcus, thanks for digging that <span class="caps">MVRDV</span> proposal up and internet-ising it. I love the emphasis on mixed-use program and retaining productive (and trade) capacity&nbsp;there.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Trimble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Trimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John - I have updated the text regarding the tender process.

Regarding the street that was originally proposed between the park and the city that is no longer present - while I agree with Phillip Thallis that it becomes far more difficult to maintain grip on just exactly where public space starts and stops, for me the issue concerns the urban quality that results from such a situation. I am not aware of any precedent for a successful park/public open space where this is the condition. 

Southbank in Melbourne shares these qualities and it is hardly top of my list of places to go when I am down there...

And in Sydney the stretch of public space from Darling Harbour through to King Street Wharf where there is no demarkation between buildings and public space is perhaps the least civic part of the entire CBD. It is like one long strip foodcourt with bar after restaurant after bar following restaurant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John - I have updated the text regarding the tender&nbsp;process.</p>
<p>Regarding the street that was originally proposed between the park and the city that is no longer present - while I agree with Phillip Thallis that it becomes far more difficult to maintain grip on just exactly where public space starts and stops, for me the issue concerns the urban quality that results from such a situation. I am not aware of any precedent for a successful park/public open space where this is the&nbsp;condition. </p>
<p>Southbank in Melbourne shares these qualities and it is hardly top of my list of places to go when I am down&nbsp;there&#8230;</p>
<p>And in Sydney the stretch of public space from Darling Harbour through to King Street Wharf where there is no demarkation between buildings and public space is perhaps the least civic part of the entire <span class="caps">CBD</span>. It is like one long strip foodcourt with bar after restaurant after bar following&nbsp;restaurant.</p>
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		<title>By: MsUnreliable</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsUnreliable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my view, the difference between a &#039;closed design competition&#039; and a tender is merely semantics in this case, particularly after the way the winning design team was treated/mistreated.

I&#039;ll never understand why the design of this site has been dictated by a former PM with no design experience instead of, say, a council appointed, world-leading architect/urban designer like Jan Gehl, whose design input was written off by Iemma as &quot;just another opinion&quot;. 

The current &quot;design&quot; (I use the term loosely) will be a nice addition to Rogers&#039; folio, but it&#039;s hardly the best outcome for Sydney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my view, the difference between a &#8216;closed design competition&#8217; and a tender is merely semantics in this case, particularly after the way the winning design team was&nbsp;treated/mistreated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never understand why the design of this site has been dictated by a former <span class="caps">PM</span> with no design experience instead of, say, a council appointed, world-leading architect/urban designer like Jan Gehl, whose design input was written off by Iemma as &#8220;just another&nbsp;opinion&#8221;. </p>
<p>The current &#8220;design&#8221; (I use the term loosely) will be a nice addition to Rogers&#8217; folio, but it&#8217;s hardly the best outcome for&nbsp;Sydney.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing concept.
Guess it will be time to update the panoramic we have of the Harbour taken a couple of years ago.


Please visit our new studio blog and stock library websites

Distil Ennui Photography Studio Blog http://www.blog.DistilEnnui.com

Stock Images &amp; Canvas Prints http://www.AlexanderJamesStockPhotography.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing concept.<br />
Guess it will be time to update the panoramic we have of the Harbour taken a couple of years&nbsp;ago.</p>
<p>Please visit our new studio blog and stock library&nbsp;websites</p>
<p>Distil Ennui Photography Studio Blog&nbsp;<a href="http://www.blog.DistilEnnui.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blog.DistilEnnui.com</a></p>
<p>Stock Images <span class="amp">&amp;</span> Canvas Prints&nbsp;<a href="http://www.AlexanderJamesStockPhotography.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.AlexanderJamesStockPhotography.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: John de Manincor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John de Manincor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small error in the above entry - the current process was not a design competition rather a tender for the rights to develop the site. So, worth rethinking all of this in terms of commerce being the reason cities exist and that public space withing the city is a result of commercial activity.
Oh and why is it SO important to have a street between commercial development and public open space? Sorry - don&#039;t get it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small error in the above entry - the current process was not a design competition rather a tender for the rights to develop the site. So, worth rethinking all of this in terms of commerce being the reason cities exist and that public space withing the city is a result of commercial activity.<br />
Oh and why is it <span class="caps">SO</span> important to have a street between commercial development and public open space? Sorry - don&#8217;t get it&nbsp;myself.</p>
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